pushing around this african-american woman and ordering her to explain she didn't stop an attack on benghazi? >> they obviously decided it wasn't. i'm not sure why. >> on the politics, your former colleague wrote about this, if white house operatives really believe because hagel is a republican former senator and the gop already got its scalp, hawks would look the other way while the administration nominated a man likely to oppose against iran? those white house operatives should seek a different line of work. joy reid? >> the neocons won't stop. they've been wrong on every foreign policy question of my lifetime and still want to be in charge. >> to think of another liberal-type reformer you have to go to harold brown under carter and was a multilateralist, looked to use the pentagon as a place to negotiate arms reduction treaties. it was a different type of defense strategy, it was, by the way, controversial at the time. but the point to hagel, joy, is we're talking about someone who objectionable comments aside or not, someone who would be a change agent, and why won't the president fight